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Star Wars Toxic Fandom: The Battle Between Extremes
In this video, I dive deep into how the Star Wars culture war has impacted my experience with the franchise. The intense polarization between the anti-Disney crowd and the defenders of the new content has made the Star Wars discourse almost insufferable.
I share my thoughts on how these extreme viewpoints are drowning out the voices of normal fans who just want to enjoy Star Wars without being dragged into the chaos. From accusations of being a "shill" to being attacked for mixed reviews, I explain how the toxic atmosphere has affected my relationship with the franchise.
I also address the ridiculousness of death threats, rape threats, and the accusations thrown at anyone who dares to express an opinion on Star Wars. It's time for the normal fans in the middle to take a stand and bring back the childhood wonder that Star Wars represents.
Join the conversation and share your thoughts. Do you think the Star Wars fandom can recover from this culture war?
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VIDEO SUMMARYThis video contains Sean Chandler Talks About's
"Star Wars Culture War: How It Ruins Enjoyment for Fans"
"Navigating the Extremes in Star Wars Discourse"
"Star Wars Fandom: The Battle Between Extremes"
"Why Star Wars Discussions Are Becoming Insufferable"
"The Toxicity of Star Wars Culture Wars Explained"
"Caught in the Middle: Star Wars Fans vs. Extremists"
"From Childhood Wonder to Culture War: Star Wars Fandom Today"
"Star Wars Debate: Balancing Criticism and Praise"
"Star Wars and Social Media: The Impact of Extremes on Fandom"
"Death Threats and Culture Wars: The Dark Side of Star Wars Fandom"
"The Dark Side of Star Wars Fandom: Death Threats and Insanity!"
"Star Wars Fans at War: Why the Fandom is Falling Apart"
"Is Star Wars Fandom Ruined Forever? The Shocking Truth!"
"The Ugly Reality of Star Wars Culture Wars: My Experience"
"Why I Can't Talk About Star Wars Anymore: Toxic Fandom Exposed"
"Disney Star Wars Backlash: Fans vs. Haters - The Real Story"
"Star Wars Controversy: How Extreme Fans Are Destroying the Franchise"
"From Childhood Wonder to Culture War: The Downfall of Star Wars Fandom"
"The Star Wars Fandom is Broken: Here's Why"
"Death Threats Over Star Wars? The Crazy Reality of Fandom Wars"
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  • @darkhighwayman1757
    @darkhighwayman1757 17 хвилин тому

    They all never went anywhere.

  • @davemac9563
    @davemac9563 33 хвилини тому

    Star Wars fans aren’t toxic. Sadly paid journalists who don’t even watch Star Wars just select a few who fit their narrative, and sadly they mingle us normal fans with racist assholes like Nerdrotic and Geeks and Gamers. But if you meet anyone in real life, there are just casual Star Wars fans who mostly remember the original and prequel films who are more cordial than what the internet leads you to believe. The Acolyte is just a bad show, plain and simple. But it makes more clicks to sell a racist bigoted narrative

  • @benmorgan9748
    @benmorgan9748 34 хвилини тому

    There’s no need for either extreme, but it’s perfectly okay to let a strong opinion be heard. Star Wars is for the fans, yet the majority of fans haven’t enjoyed anything aside from maybe TFA, Rogue One, and Mando S1. If people don’t speak up (respectfully, of course), nothing will change.

  • @shushinho5274
    @shushinho5274 Годину тому

    i will still watch his movies just like i watch kevin spacey movies. how they are personally doesnt matter to me im watching movie to be entertained

  • @tomascrosson7111
    @tomascrosson7111 2 години тому

    I watched the first 2 episodes of the Acolyte with my family and, honestly, they weren't that bad. Flawed, but honestly pretty good. I put of watching the 3rd episode due to how much hate it was getting, but I did and I didn't mind it either. I think from now on, I should watch new Star Wars stuff without hearing other people's opinions, because they don't put me in the mindset to enjoy it - and I'm looking forward to watching the 4th episode tonight. I can't believe I'm part of two fandoms (insert anonymous music fandom) that have to start culture wars at everything, while I'm sitting in the crossfire in the middle. Just stop!

  • @brandonfly4611
    @brandonfly4611 2 години тому

    Incredible video. This is what I've been trying to say this whole time.

  • @andrewvasquez7872
    @andrewvasquez7872 2 години тому

    God the mental gymnastics in this video have me dizzy. So wait its OK to say "hmmm maybe the Rebellion did some terrible things in the fight to do what they thought was right" But the Jedi couldnt have possibly made the same mistakes? Hell the Jedi doing questionable/misguided terrible things isnt EVEN A NEW CONCEPT. There was TONS of Clone War era content that showed us how in many instances the Jedi werent "all good all the time". Ki-adi Mundi is WELL KNOWN to have been what we would consider a "war criminal" with his brutality during the clone wars. One of the main reasons the Jedi Order of the Republic era ultimately fell was because the Order had become militant, dogmatic, had done questionable things throughout that era Hell even take it further back when it was the Jedi who had used the Mass Shadow Generator to end the Mandalorian Wars that killed an entire planet and created Darth Nhilus.

  • @TheReelReviews4190
    @TheReelReviews4190 3 години тому

    I used to be a huge Star Wars fan, I have so many books, toys and autographs. But ever since the sequel trilogy I have lost my passion for Star Wars, I watched some of the series, the first 2 seasons of the Mandalorian were good, Andor was ok. Ashoka was terrible, the book of Boba Fett was poor and when I heard about the acolyte I was not interested and by the sound of it, not many like the show. I have had discussions with fans who like the sequel trilogy and the show's and I have no issues with that but I hate when people call me racist or sexist because I don't like a film or show that they do.

  • @tibocool1328
    @tibocool1328 4 години тому

    Critical drinker and nerdrotic are idiots. Don’t believe drinker no one in the Uk has heard of his books he is not a best selling author he is a trash to lesser than bargain bin authors

  • @GalvatronStudios
    @GalvatronStudios 4 години тому

    Even when you spit out actual *FACTS* of Star Wars history, the crybabies whine even more and go deeper into their own denial.

  • @bennickell8477
    @bennickell8477 4 години тому

    Never once while watching the acolyte have I thought that the palpatine was right

  • @theanimationcritictaylorri1264
    @theanimationcritictaylorri1264 5 годин тому

    I was in my single digits to early teens in the 2000’s honestly I would’ve loved to have been a fan back then. But now it’s like “damned if you do & youre damned if you don’t.” You can’t win for losing in today’s Fandom climate. It’s very depressing in that regard.

  • @theanimationcritictaylorri1264
    @theanimationcritictaylorri1264 5 годин тому

    I for one am legitimately sick and tired of this all of this one side end all be all mentality. Now that being said The FREAK(*she’s actually a FREAK!)! Headland should NOT have been able to get a show at all! That being said. This stupid mentality of End All Be All really started with The Last Jedi! & while to an extent I like The Last Jedi. If I myself could’ve prevented that Movie from happening than I most definitely would have. Because the scene of the split in half lightsaber symbolized the beginning of the of the end of The STARWARS Franchise as a whole. Also I got into Films as a thing to be into because I was mesmerized by the look & process of certain Films. Now they won’t shut up long enough to make any of it with actual merit or heart beat to any of it at all. It’s both pathetic & really sad. Don’t let President 45 become President 47 🤦😑

  • @ZombiBoi-tf9dv4kn2c
    @ZombiBoi-tf9dv4kn2c 6 годин тому

    I sometimes wish I wasn’t a Star Wars fan And I wished the day would never come But it came Great Video and agree on your points

  • @poboxchristmas380
    @poboxchristmas380 6 годин тому

    Exactly. Both sides make me not want to be on either side of the discussion.

  • @JackieWarner13
    @JackieWarner13 6 годин тому

    Yeah back in the day when Star Wars fans sent hate to Hayden Christiensen, Jake Lloyd & Ahmed Best I thought it was so crazy & I was a child seeing grown men send hate to them when all they did was their job & be told what do to do in the scenes. It's just gotten worse since social media bc we can see & say so much more now. MCU fandom too when someone gets cast & people send them hate even though haven't seen them in the role.

  • @stevenharsono9911
    @stevenharsono9911 7 годин тому

    NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE BUDGET , THE POINT IS REBECCA FERGUSON'S ILSA FAUST CHARACTER THAT WE ALL LOVED IS ALLREADY DEAAAAAAAAAAAAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫😫 AND BECOMING A COOOOOOOORPSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 , SO I WILL CERTAINLY SKIP THIS UPCOMING FILM ‼️😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

  • @caydannTheMovieGuy
    @caydannTheMovieGuy 7 годин тому

    Sean I would like to say you are my favorite movie reviewer and I think the insight you give on movies is amazing and I hate that you have to go through all that for saying your opinion on a tv show! I think are great and I come to you every time I want to here different reviews on movies and hearing what you think about movies and shows! Thanks for all the work you do and what you provide for your UA-cam family!

  • @bradybaker7650
    @bradybaker7650 7 годин тому

    Good writing vs bad writing. Simple as

  • @UnomasdelPatriarcado3.0
    @UnomasdelPatriarcado3.0 7 годин тому

    The Acolyte is a steaming pile pf crap just as pretty much all Disney-related SW. If this made up story is your cope to deal with it then fine. Whatever, dude.

    • @OrangeHand
      @OrangeHand 6 годин тому

      You just proved his point.

  • @toastiebacon6991
    @toastiebacon6991 7 годин тому

    Or the show is just crap and it ends there

    • @SeanChandlerPlus
      @SeanChandlerPlus 7 годин тому

      That's not really what the video is about. No problem if you think the show is garbage. Nothing toxic about disliking a show.

    • @toastiebacon6991
      @toastiebacon6991 7 годин тому

      @SeanChandlerPlus i admit i didnt watch i just asumed that it was the fandom around the acolyte and if you want to explore toxic fandom you need to find examples of shows or films that are universally loved by most fans and use that things hate to demonstrate and find the toxicity against that rather than using something that is just plain bad that majority of people agree with is bad

  • @DannerBanks
    @DannerBanks 8 годин тому

    That's why I love this channel - very honest takes without delving into culture war garbage. You are winning by not engaging with it!

  • @TheStacanova
    @TheStacanova 8 годин тому

    It’s not a battle, the Shows are Crap, the “Woke” stuff really only comes up after the fans see the show is garbage, because it becomes obvious to fans, they weren’t even trying to make a good Star Wars Story for us, they were just USING the Star Ware Brand as a platform to push an ideology. It feels like a betrayal! Fans would still hate a bad Star Wars show, but if the motivation to make good Star Wars was there and pure it would be different, there’s extra vitriol when you realize making good Star Wars was the last thing on Disney’s minds. The fans exist in Disney’s minds to steal money from and to call them Bigots & Racists, when it’s convenient, to push their ideology by creating an “Enemy” in the fanbase, that they know they can provoke by being so careless with something the fans love, like Star Wars. They also know, the “Woke” criticism will be the ONLY criticism the mainstream media gives any coverage to, because it doesn’t benefit their corporate overlords At Disney to discuss how poorly written, acted, directed & produced their shows are. It doesn’t benefit certain people to push the narrative that Americans are all racist bigots. Search you feelings, you know everything I just said is TRUE!

  • @SophiaAphrodite
    @SophiaAphrodite 8 годин тому

    Of that time in the SW universe this was true. Just like any group in power. There is an obsessive fear that the Sith would rise again and keeping close tabs on those who are force sensitive. This is taking the view of those outside of the jedi and the political setting and seeing it all looking in. The idea here is to make you question the jedi's intentions when one side thinks the Jedi killed the witches and the other thinks Mae did when it was most likely the person manipulating Mae and used the incident to lie to Mae. The jedi are simply not prepared to fight a dangerous ally as they have become steeped in tradition and politics. This lays bare what is likely to be the rise of Darth Plagueis and it does reveal who that likely is and we can be sure you whiners will complain he is not white. You are clearly not paying attention to the settings as they have nothing to do with each other.

  • @tonyharrison4848
    @tonyharrison4848 8 годин тому

    Not true. The "m-she-u" crowd gave Andor positive reviews because it was actually a good show.

  • @user-jg6km9kg4d
    @user-jg6km9kg4d 8 годин тому

    It was a shity movie and he's a shity person.

  • @prettypointlessproductions6410
    @prettypointlessproductions6410 9 годин тому

    I’ve always said I’m not a Star Wars fan because I enjoy watching all Star Wars content

  • @tomt5482
    @tomt5482 9 годин тому

    We've got to move past amplifying the loud 1% on each side and listen to the rest. Those crazy people will always exist and being outraged regardless of how inappropriate they behave isn't going to make the problem go away. The average person who likes, loves, dislikes or hates The Acolyte isn't sending threats. Personally I cherry pick what I consider to be good Star Wars under Disney and voice my discontent about the rest. There are so many objectively bad shows / movies in the Disney Star Wars catalogue that given the budget have no reason to exist. Fans who are pushing back I think are just generally tired of this trash. Disney has had the IP for over a decade, they should have figured it out by now.

  • @ScofieldStudios
    @ScofieldStudios 9 годин тому

    Depends if it meets the expectations, which are already massively high.

  • @scruffd0g193
    @scruffd0g193 9 годин тому

    The fandom has already ate themselves Alive.

    • @Chase.42
      @Chase.42 9 годин тому

      Again that’s the mindset that ruined Star Wars, you don’t blame the people in charge but the fans like Kathleen Kennedy. That’s why she’s failing, you’re like a baby Kathleen Kennedy.

  • @fatnakedjimmyneutron
    @fatnakedjimmyneutron 9 годин тому

    The problem is that the toxic positivity created the toxic negativity. And now it's stuck. It started with the last jedi even though it was happening slightly before that movie. People called out the last jedi and Lucasfilm called all of them sexist and racist. And here we are now.

  • @Chase.42
    @Chase.42 9 годин тому

    Wokey’s have ruined Star Wars so I’m done. I do like laughing at the parody’s tho😂

  • @kzilla8864
    @kzilla8864 9 годин тому

    Honestly, this is one of the reasons why it's not fun to enjoy Star Wars lately because toxic people like these will literally ruin the experience. Im just going to focus on what's actually good or not.

  • @emeraldninjalink6312
    @emeraldninjalink6312 9 годин тому

    Threatening another person of rape or murder just because they like or don’t like a tv show about laser swords is insane to me. People can have opinions that differ from your own! Just accept that everyone isn’t just like you!!!

  • @KAWLegend
    @KAWLegend 9 годин тому

    Look I loved every Disney Star Wars show except acylote even kenobi is one of my favorite shows but the acylote just bad and completely ruined the chosen one prophecy and Ki ado mundi

    • @KAWLegend
      @KAWLegend 9 годин тому

      Good job Sean I agree I think hating on everything Disney is stupid I just wish kenobi got more love

  • @jonathancuthbert368
    @jonathancuthbert368 10 годин тому

    How does a group of online twits’ negative relationship with an intellectual property affect someone’s own, previously positive viewing experience? Only the weak and fragile would succumb to such foolishness.

  • @Buckeyesteve10
    @Buckeyesteve10 10 годин тому

    This is spot on. Unfortunately each new Star Wars project is treated with the same energy and intensity as a presidential election. The hilarious thing is, when you really stop and think about it, Disney Star Wars is and always has been hit or miss. Nothing more, nothing less. It's hit or miss like most properties. For every The Acolyte, Obi Wan, or Book of Boba Fett, they've also given us Rogue One, Andor, and The Mandalorian (at least the first two seasons). People act like they're incapable of just skipping a show they don't like.

  • @matthewcurrier6082
    @matthewcurrier6082 10 годин тому

    I’m sorry but I’m so sick and tired of woke freaks using franchises like Star Wars to push their woke garbage

    • @RitoRvolto
      @RitoRvolto 10 годин тому

      What does woke mean? Is everything you dislike woke? Is bad weather woke?

  • @Mickey-1994
    @Mickey-1994 10 годин тому

    Kathleen Kennedy puts us here with being a nasty bitter cu@t from day one, it amazes me of how the sequel trilogy was so sloppy and had no plan. The only thing that could save Star Wars down the road is if Disney sells it and the next company erases Disney Star Wars from canon. There's still no way to make up or have a do over with episodes 7-9 because I doubt Mark or Harrison will still be around if Disney ever decided to sell.

  • @bruceyofthesea1564
    @bruceyofthesea1564 10 годин тому

    I’ve been watching your videos for about a year and I gotta say that I really enjoy how level headed and fair you are in your reviews. It’s a breath of fresh air in this community that can be so far in a particular direction

  • @WhatamIdoinghere1
    @WhatamIdoinghere1 10 годин тому

    Couldn’t agree more about the discourse. It’s truly embarrassing as a Star Wars fan to see the fandom act the way that they do at times. It’s also sad overall to see what they have done with their shows and movies. Sometimes I wish that they would have just stuck with the original trilogy and not have made another show or movie. Yes we would have missed out on some great content (andor, mandalorian seasons 1 and 2, etc) but all of this hatred and arguments wouldn’t be happening. We also wouldn’t have to watch one of our favorite franchises go down the toilet.

  • @Knihcaggin
    @Knihcaggin 10 годин тому

    We want star wars not propaganda pushing with subpar acting & incoherent stories its quite simple really

    • @RitoRvolto
      @RitoRvolto 10 годин тому

      What propaganda would that be, exactly?

    • @Knihcaggin
      @Knihcaggin 10 годин тому

      @@RitoRvolto propaganda from higher ups tht blames fans for the piss poor reviews instead of taking accountability for mistakes they’ve made like changing established lore tht messes w/ the prequels not to mention the mid to below average performance on everyone on the show besides the squid games actor who has never had an english speaking role before recently

  • @Mccpotinc
    @Mccpotinc 10 годин тому

    The biggest thing is the pacing. The first two are brutally slow and while rots still has all the other problems the prequels suffer from at least it isn’t hard to stay awake while watching.

  • @liamphibia
    @liamphibia 10 годин тому

    Be strong, Sean. You're awesome.

  • @gmen1055
    @gmen1055 10 годин тому

    Imagine your favorite sports team wins 3 games and loses 14 in a season. Fans are not going to be happy and voice their frustration rightfully so. Most of the content disney lucasfilm has put out over the years has felt like “losing seasons” in the sports world.

  • @jonnathonhicks178
    @jonnathonhicks178 10 годин тому

    I always come back to this channel because of the extraordinary effort to approach things with good faith.

  • @jeans4108
    @jeans4108 10 годин тому

    I agree with you but what worries me is that the higher ups at Lucasfilm (not just Kennedy) are looking at the discussion around the shows/movies as engagement and that any kind of social media discourse means “the brand” is drawing eyes. I watched a few reviews about The Acolyte (including yours) when it dropped on D+ to find out what people I trust thought. Since then my UA-cam feed is populated with some positive but mostly negative reviews of the show. I know a lot of people are hate watching it to post things after and to Lucasfilm fans who ❤ it , fans who have issues with it, and those who hate it are all counted as views. Engagement =money for them. The issue will be if fans stop talking about Star Wars because apathy is death for a franchise. Until they see no one caring at all the people in charge can point to viewership and take what they see as the moral high ground (no pun intended). Ive been sort of checked out since Mando S3 (didn’t like it) and I haven’t watched Acolyte cause I’m taking a break. I’m also not convinced that any of the other major studios would do any better with the SW universe since they seem to be running most of their own franchises straight into the ground. IDK 🤷‍♀️ I still love SW but I’m taking a break for now. Also, you’re not a shill. I found you through Cody’s channel and I appreciate your balanced and thoughtful reviews even when we don’t agree ❤

  • @JJdaPK
    @JJdaPK 10 годин тому

    I actually like the Acolyte and how different it feels from other Star Wars content. I think it's a breath of fresh air. But I don't say that often because anyone who admits to liking the show gets piled on by Star Wars fans saying how stupid they are for liking the show. I do understand the criticisms from some that it doesn't feel like Star Wars at all. But I AM baffled by how strongly it's hated. I feel like the Acolyte - being a TV show that hasn't been referenced in any other Star Wars property - is very easy to ignore if it's not your thing.

  • @JJdaPK
    @JJdaPK 11 годин тому

    I wouldnt say Pixar is "back" because I think most of their recent movies, with the exception of Lightyear, have been good or great. Soul, Luca and Turning Red were all great movies that had no chance to prove themselves at the box office because they were sent straight to Disney Plus. Elemental was a solid movie, and stuck with me more than Inside Out 2.

  • @QuickPoker
    @QuickPoker 11 годин тому

    Nailed it. Well said brother